Saturday, May 14, 2005

Rif Shabbat 6b



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6b

{Shabbat 18a continues}

unless it can be ground when it is still day.

And we establish {that this brayta} is according to Bet Shammai, who holds as a precept the resting of vessels, but according to Bet Hillel, they do not hold as a precept the resting of vessels, and it is permitted.

And there is one who says that it is forbidden, and even according to Bet Hillel, for it makes a noise.

{Shabbat 18b}
The Sages learnt {in a brayta}: A woman must not fill a pot with pounded wheat{alternatively, peas} and lupines and place it in the oven on the eve of the Sabbath shortly before nightfall; and if she does put them [there], they are forbidden at the conclusion of the Sabbath for as long as they take to prepare. Similarly, a baker must not fill a barrel of water and place it in the oven on the eve of the Sabbath shortly before nightfall; and if he does, it [the water] is forbidden at the conclusion of the Sabbath for as long as it takes to prepare [boil].

What is the reason?
It is a decree lest he stir the coals.
And if you say, a perfume brazier and sulphur, why did they not decree, lest he stir the coals?
There he will not stir the coals, for if he stirs them, the smoke will enter and harm them {the garments or vessels}.
And wet bundles of flax, too, we do not decree, for since a draft is injurious to them, he will not uncover it {the oven}.
Wool in the dye kettle which is removed from [the fire] and sealed down, we also do not decree upon, for we have no cause to fear he will stir {the coals} or stir {the pot}.

And now that master said "a decree lest he stir the coals," this pot with raw food, or food which is [quite] boiled, it is fine. If it is boiled and not boiled {thus, partly boiled}, it is forbidden, and if a raw bone is thrown in it, it is fine. What is the reason? For he has removed his thoughts from it, for he says "now it will certainly not be boiled {in time for the night meal} and he will not come to stir {the coals so as to hasten the cooking}."

And now that master said "Whatever may be harmed by the draft, one will not uncover it," with flesh of a kid {young goat - goat flesh is tender and damaged by a draft - not so by a buck}, where it [the oven] is daubed round {to seal it down}, it is fine. With [flesh] of a buck, where it [the oven] is not daubed round, is forbidden. But as to [flesh] of a kid, where it is not daubed round, or of a buck, where it is daubed round: Rav Ashi permits it, and Rav Yirmiya of Difti forbids it.

There are those that say {a different version of this dispute}: a kid, whether it [the oven] is daubed round or not daubed round, it is fine; of a buck, when it is daubed round, it is also fine. When do they argue? When it is a buck and it is not daubed round. Rav Ashi permits and Rav Yirmiya from Difti forbids.

And the {post-Talmudic} Sages rule like this second version and according to Rav Ashi, and there is one who rules like Rav Yirmiya of Difta who forbids. And we too hold like Rav Yirmiya of Difti, for we see a sugya with a report {/ruling} like him {a few lines later in the gemara}, for we say: "Ravina said: As for a raw gourd, it is fine; since a draft is injurious to it, it is like flesh of a kid, and it is permitted." This implies that if it was like buck, it would be forbidden, and we deduce from here that buck is forbidden.

MISHNA:
BETH SHAMMAI MAINTAIN: SNARES FOR WILD BEASTS, FOWLS, AND FISH, MAY NOT BE SPREAD UNLESS THEY CAN BE CAUGHT WHILE IT IS YET DAY;
BUT BETH HILLEL PERMIT IT.

BETH SHAMMAI RULE: ONE MUST NOT SELL TO A GENTILE, OR HELP HIM TO LOAD [AN ASS], OR LIFT UP [AN ARTICLE] UPON HIM

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