Monday, August 29, 2005

Rif Shabbat 45a {Shabbat 120a continues ... 121a}



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45a

{Shabbat 120a continues}
and the halacha is like Rav Huna.

Rav Runa the son of Rav Yehoshua asked: What if one spreads out his garments, collects and places [therein], collects and places [therein] {more than 3 meals}? Is it like one who comes to save, or like one who comes to collect?

Since Rava said, Rav Shizbi misled Rav Chisda by teaching, 'Provided that he does not procure a vessel which holds more than three meals', it follows that it is like one who comes to save, and it is permitted.

Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak said to Rava: Why is it an error?
He said to him: For they learn {tnan}: 'provided that he does not bring another vessel and catch [the dripping liquid] or another vessel and join it [to the roof]' -- [thus] only another vessel may not [be brought], but he may save as much as he desires in the same vessel.

"AND HE [THE OWNER] MAY SAY TO OTHERS, 'COME AND SAVE FOR YOURSELVES'...":
What reckoning is there here? They can say "We acquired it from hefker!"
Rava said: We refer here to a God-fearing person, who does not wish to benefit from others, yet is unwilling to trouble for nothing.
And this is what it means to say - AND IF THEY ARE WISE, that they know that in such a case it is not payment for Shabbat {for they have after all acquired from hefker}, THEY MAKE A RECKONING WITH HIM AFTER SHABBAT.

MISHNA:
AND HE PUTS ON ALL THAT HE CAN PUT ON AND WRAPS HIMSELF IN ALL WHEREWITH HE CAN WRAP HIMSELF;AND THITHER HE MAY CARRY OUT ALL. THE UTENSILS [HE REQUIRES] FOR HIS USE;
THEN HE MAY PUT ON [GARMENTS] AFRESHR. JOSE SAID: [ONLY] EIGHTEEN GARMENTS. AND CARRY THEM OUT, AND SAY TO OTHERS, 'COME AND RESCUE WITH ME.'

Rif:
And the halacha is like the first Tanna {and not like Rabbi Yossi}.

MISHNA:
R. SIMEON B. NANNOS SAID: ONE MAY SPREAD A GOAT SKIN OVER A BOX, CHEST, OR TRUNK WHICH HAS CAUGHT FIRE, BECAUSE HE SINGES {but does not burn it, and at the same time protects the boxes};
AND ONE MAY MAKE A BARRIER WITH ALL VESSELS, WHETHER FULL [OF WATER] OR EMPTY, THAT THE FIRE SHOULD NOT TRAVEL ONWARD.
R. JOSE FORBIDS IN THE CASE OF NEW EARTHEN VESSELS FILLED WITH WATER, BECAUSE SINCE THEY CANNOT STAND THE HEAT, THEY WILL BURST AND EXTINGUISH THE FIRE.

Gemara:
And the halacha is not like Rabbi Yossi, who holds that {indirectly} causing {grama} extinguishing is forbidden.

Rav Yehuda said {our gemara: Rav Yehuda cites Rav, and the citation is of a source brought to argue with Rav Yehuda}: If a garment catches fire on one side, one may take it off and cover himself with it, and if it is extinguished, if it extinguished; and likewise if a Scroll of the Law catches fire, one may spread it out and read it, and if it is extinguished, it is extinguished.

{Shabbat 120b}
The Sages learnt {in a brayta}: If a lamp is on a board, one may shake [tip up] the board and it [the lamp] falls off, and if it is extinguished, it is extinguished.
The School of Rabbi Yannai said: They learnt this only if one forgot [it there]; but if he placed [it there], it [the board] became a stand {basis} for a forbidden article.

If a lamp is behind a door, it is forbidden to open and close [it] naturally, for Abaye and Rava both say: Rabbi Shimon agrees in a case of 'cut off his head and let him not die' {that it is forbidden -- the idea is that you cannot say "I will cut the head off this chicken, because I want to make use of the head, without the intent that it die"}

And it is forbidden to open a door opposite a {large} fire on Shabbat, and even in the presence of a normal wind.

{Shabbat 121a}
MISHNA:
IF A GENTILE COMES TO EXTINGUISH, WE DO NOT SAY TO HIM, 'EXTINGUISH IT' OR 'DO NOT EXTINGUISH,'

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