Monday, February 23, 2009

Rif Bava Kamma 8b {20a}

8b
{Bava Kamma 20a}

אמר אילפא בהמה ברה"ר ופשטה צוארה ואכלה מעל גבי חברתה חייבת
מאי טעמא על גבי חברתה כחצר הניזק דמי
והוא דקפצה אבל עמדה לא דהיינו אורחה
דאיתמר אמר רבי הושעיא בהמה ברשות הרבים הלכה ואכלה פטורה עמדה ואכלה חייבת
ואמרינן מאי שנא הלכה דאורחה הוא עמדה נמי אורחה הוא [ואמר רבא] בקופצת:
Ilfa said: an animal on public ground stretching out its neck and consuming food that had been placed upon the back of another animal, there would be liability to pay.
What is the reason? The back of the other animal would be counted as the plaintiff's premises.
And this is where it jumped, but if it stood, no, for this is its normal way.
For it was stated: Rabbi Hoshaya said: An animal in the public domain, if it walked and ate, there would be exemption; if it stood in place and ate, there would be liability. And we said: Why is walking different -- it is normal conduct? Standing still as well is its normal conduct? [And Rava said] {the standing is} where it jumped.

במה דברים אמורים ברשות הניזק אבל ברה"ר פטורה
אהייא
אמר רב אכולהו
ושמואל אמר לא שנו אלא פירות או ירקות אבל כסות וכלים חייבת
וכן אמר רבי יוחנן לא שנו אלא פירות או ירקות אבל כסות וכלים חייבת (בחצי נזק) דלאו משונה הוא דעביד אינש דמנח גלימיה ברשות הרבים ומתפח:
"THIS RULING APPLIES ONLY TO DAMAGE DONE ON THE PLAINTIFF'S PREMISES, BUT IF IT IS DONE ON PUBLIC GROUND THERE WOULD BE EXEMPTION":
Upon what {is this statement made}?
Rav said: All of it.
And Shmuel said: They only learned it regarding fruits or vegetables, but clothing or vessels, he would be liable.
And so did Rabbi Yochanana say: They only learned it regarding fruits or vegetables, but clothing or vessels, he would be liable (* in half-damages *). For it is not unusual, for a man is accustomed to put down his clothing in the public domain and have a rest.

ואם נהנית משלמת מה שנהנית.
וכמה
רבה אמר דמי עמיר בזול
ורבא אמר דמי שעורין בזול
איכא מאן דפסק כרבה משום דהוא רביה דרבא
ואיכא מאן דפסק כרבא דהוא בתרא
"WHERE, HOWEVER, THE ANIMAL HAS DERIVED SOME BENEFIT [FROM THE DAMAGE DONE BY IT], PAYMENT WILL [IN ANY CASE] BE MADE TO THE EXTENT OF THE BENEFIT":
And how much?
Rabba said: not exceeding the value of straw.
And Rava said: Not exceeding the value of barley.
There is one who rules like Rabba, for he is the teacher of Rava. And there is one who rules like Rava, for he is later.

1 comment:

Yehuda said...

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