Thursday, September 22, 2005

Rif Shabbat 60a {Shabbat 143a continues ... 144b}



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60a

{Shabbat 143a continues}
in virtue of a bowl [flask] of water.

Rav Sheshet threw them {the kernels} away [spat them out] with his tongue.

Rav Papa threw them behind the couch.

It was said of Rabbi Zechariah ben Avtolas that he would turn his face to the back of the couch and throw them away.

END PEREK TWENTY-ONE

BEGIN PEREK TWENTY-TWO
{Shabbat 143b}
MISHNA:
IF A CASK [OF WINE] IS BROKEN, ONE MAY SAVE THEREOF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THREE MEALS, AND HE [THE OWNER] CAN SAY TO OTHERS, 'COME AND SAVE FOR YOURSELVES', PROVIDED THAT HE DOES NOT SPONGE IT UP.

FRUIT MAY NOT BE SQUEEZED IN ORDER TO EXPRESS THEIR JUICES: IF THEY EXUDE OF THEIR OWN ACCORD THEY ARE PROHIBITED.
R. JUDAH SAID: IF [THEY STAND] AS EATABLES, THAT WHICH EXUDES FROM THEM IS PERMITTED; BUT IF FOR LIQUIDS, THAT WHICH EXUDES FROM THEM IS PROHIBITED.

IF HONEYCOMBS ARE CRUSHED ON EREV SHABBAT AND IT [THE HONEY] EXUDES SPONTANEOUSLY, IT IS FORBIDDEN;
BUT R. ELEAZAR {or R Eliezer} PERMITS IT.

Gemara:
A Tanna taught: One must not sponge up wine nor dab up oil {with his hands, which he then wipes on the edge of a vessel so that the oil runs unto it}, so that he should not act as he does during the week.

The Sages learnt {in a brayta}: If one's produce is scattered in his courtyard, he may collect a little at a time and eat it, but not into a basket or a tub, so that he should not act as he does during the week.

"{FRUIT} MAY NOT BE SQUEEZED":
Rav Papa {our gemara: Rabba} cited Rav Yehuda who cited Shmuel: The Sages agreed with Rabbi Yehuda in respect to all other fruits, and Rabbi Yehuda agreed with the Sages in respect to olives and grapes.

Rabbi Yirmiya said to Rabbi Abba: If so, in what do they argue?
He said to him: When you find it [I will tell you]. {probably = if you think carefully about it you will find the answer yourself}
Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak said: It is reasonable that they differ in the case of mulberries and pomegranates.

Rabbi Yochanan said: The halacha is like Rabbi Yehuda in regard to all other fruits.

{Shabbat 144a}
They learnt {in a brayta}: One may express {=squeeze}

{Shabbat 144b}
plums, quinces and sorb-apples, but not pomegranates, for the household of Menashia ben Menachem used to express pomegranates on weekdays, and made from them wine, and thus we see that pomegranates are intended for squeezing. Therefore it is forbidden to squeeze them on Shabbat.

Rav Nachman said: The halacha is as those of the house of Menashia ben Menachem.

We now find that the fitting rule for all these matters is as follows: Olives and grapes, we may not squeeze them on Shabbat, and if they exuded on their own accord, they are forbidden, whether for eating of for drinking, according to all. And mulberries and pomegranates, it is forbidden to squeeze them on Shabbat, according to all; and if they exuded on their own, if they were intended for food, that which exudes from them is permitted, and if they were intended for liquids, that which exudes from them is prohibited, like Rabbi Yehuda. And all other fruits, such as plums, quinces and sorb-apples, one may squeeze them even initially {lechatchila} on Shabbat, acccording to all.

And if {?} there is one who thinks that pomegranates are grouped with olives and grapes, for this that Rav Nachman said, that the halacha is like the house of Menashia ben Menachem, was stated regarding squeezing in the first place {lechatchila}, that one may not squeeze them on Shabbat, but if they exude on their own, and they are for eating, it is permitted initially, like Rabbi Yehuda. And it is also reasonable, for we learn {katani - in a brayta}: One may express {=squeeze} plums, quinces and sorb-apples, but not pomegranates - thus it is clear that it is going on squeezing. And further, from the fact that they give the reason like Rav Chisda, who says:

If beets are expressed and [the juice] poured into a mikveh, it renders the mikveh unfit on account of changed appearance.
But why? These are not normally expressed?!
What you must then answer is that since he assigned value thereto, it ranks as liquid; so here too, since one assigns a value thereto, it ranks as a liquid.
We may deduce from this that this is going on squeezing, for one cannot sat that he assigns a value thereto unless he squeezed them.

Rav Yehuda cited Shmuel: One may squeeze out a cluster of grapes into a pot, but not into a plate.

To explain: the pot has food in it and therefore it is liquid entering a food, and it is reckoned as a food. And the plate does not have food in it and therefore it is a liquid and forbidden.

There is one who says that this statement {meimera} was stated in regard to Yom Tov and not to Shabbat, for we establish in the Mishna: one may not squeeze

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