Rif Shabbat 59b {Shabbat 142b continues ...143a}

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{Shabbat 142b continues}
Gemara:
Rav Huna cited Rav: They learnt this only where one forgot [it there], but if he placed [it there]. it [the cask] becomes a stand for a forbidden article.

And the halacha is like Rav, for Rabbi Ammi cited Rabbi Yochanan holds like him in perek kol haKeilim {125b}.

"IF IT IS [STANDING] AMONG [OTHER] CASKS":
They learnt {in a brayta}: Rabbi Yossi says: If the cask is lying among a store [of casks], or if glassware is lying under it, he lifts it out elsewhere, tilts it on a side, so that it falls off, takes thereof what he requires, and replaces it.

"IF MONEY IS LYING ON A CUSHION":
Rabbi Chiyya bar Ashi said: They learnt this only where one forgot [it there]; but if he placed [it there], it [the cushion] became a stand for a forbidden article.

Rabba bar bar Channa cited Rabbi Yochanan {our gemara: simply Rabba bar bar Channa}: They learnt this only when it is required for itself; but if its place is required, one may remove it [the cushion] while they [the coins] are yet upon it.

Rav Oshaya said: If one forgets a purse in a courtyard, he places a loaf or a child thereon and moves it.

And the halacha is not like him {Rav Oshaya} for Rav Ashi said: they said {=permitted the expedient of} a loaf or a child only in connection with a corpse.
And so is the halacha.

{Shabbat 143a}
MISHNA:
BETH SHAMMAI SAY: ONE MAY REMOVE BONES AND [NUT]SHELLS FROM THE TABLE;
BUT BETH HILLEL RULE: ONE MUST TAKE AWAY THE WHOLE BOARD AND SHAKE IT.

ONE MAY REMOVE FROM THE TABLE CRUMBS LESS THAN THE SIZE OF AN OLIVE AND THE PANICLES OF BEANS AND LENTILS, BECAUSE THEY ARE FOOD FOR ANIMALS.

AS FOR A SPONGE, IF IT HAS A LEATHERN HANDLE, ONE MAY WIPE [THE BOARD] WITH IT;
IF NOT, ONE MAY NOT WIPE [THE BOARD] WITH IT.
THE SAGES MAINTAIN]: IN EITHER CASE IT MAY BE HANDLED ON SHABBAT AND IS NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO DEFILEMENT.

Gemara:
Rav Nachman said: As for us, we have no other [view] but that Beth Shammai agrees with Rabbi Yehuda and Beth Hillel with Rabbi Shimon.

And when Rabbi Shimon permits moving things, it is such things as bones, which are fit food for dogs, and shells, which are fit food for animals. But things which are not fit as food for man nor for animals, Rabbi Shimon does not permit.

And the Sages learnt {in a brayta}: We may move bones because it is food for dogs, and foul meat because it is food for undomesticated animals.

"ONE MAY REMOVE CRUMBS FROM THE TABLE...":
This supports Rabbi Yochanan. For Rabbi Yochanan says that crumbs less than an olive in size may be destroyed by hand.

The kernels of Syrian dates may be handled, since they are fit [for cattle] on account of their parent source {=the dates themselves} --

To explain, because they are soft, and are therefore consumed together with the date itself.

{The kernels} of Persian dates are forbidden -- because they are hard, and are therefore not consumed with the date itself.

Another explanation: Syrian dates are hard, and the animal consumes them with the kernels, and therefore, we may handle them. Persian dates are soft and the animal does not consume them.
And it is logical that these words apply in places where they feed dates to animals, such as in Babylonia and Jericho. But in a place where they do not feed dates to animals, both this and that are forbidden to be handled.

Shmuel handled them in virtue of [a piece of] bread. Shmuel is consistent with his view, for Shmuel said: One may carry out all his requirements with bread.

Rabba handled them