Friday, September 29, 2006

Rif Succah 13a {Succah 3a; 28a - 29a}



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13a

{Succah 3a}
Gemara:
Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak said: The halacha is that it {the succah} needs to be able to hold his head, his majority, and his table.
Rabbi Abba said to him: In accordance with whom?! Like Bet Shammai?!
"But rather like whom?" {is the response - thus, "yes, like Bet Shammai!"}

Some {versions} say:
Rabbi Abba said: Who told you this?
"Bet Shammai, and do not move from it!"

Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak objected to this: How do we know that they argue in a small succah {and thus about how much a succah is able to hold}? Perhaps they argue about a large succah, such that he sits at the mouth of the succah and his table is within the house. That Bet Shammai maintain that we decree lest he be drawn after his table. And Bet Hillel maintain that we do not decree.
And we may derive this also from careful analysis of the language, from the fact that it states in the Mishna "one whose head and majority" and does not state "that which does not fit his head and majority," "Bet Shammai invalidate and Bet Hillel validate."

But then what? Do Bet Shammai and Bet Hillel argue about a large succah, in which Bet Shammai invalidate and Bet Hillel validate? It should have stated "Bet Shammai say he has not fulfilled and Bet Hillel say he has fulfilled."

But if so, "one whose" is a question.

And we conclude that they actually argue about both. They argue about a small succah and they argue about a large succah, and it is written in shorthand, and this is what it would say in full: One whose head and majority are in the succah and his table in within the house, Bet Shammai say he has not fulfilled and Bet Hillel say he has fulfilled. And if it {=the succah} does not fit his head, majority, and table, Bet Shammai invalidate and Bet Hillel validate.

And the halacha is like Bet Shammai in both of them, for it is one cause. And how much is "as much as his head, majority, and table?" 7 handbreadths X 7 handbreadths.

{Succah 28a}
Mishna:
Women, servants, and minors are exempt from succah.
And a minor who does not require his mother is obligated in succah.

There was an incident in which the daughter-in-law of Shammai the elder gave birth, and she caused the roof to be partially removed and placed schach on top on behalf of the child.

Gemara:
How so a minor who does not require his mother?
They say in the academy of Rabbi Yannai: Anywhere where he defacates and his mother does not wipe him.
Rabbi Shimon ben Lakish says: Anyone who wakes from his sleep and does not cry out "Mommy! Mommy!"

{Succah 28b}
Mishna:
All seven days {of sukkot} one makes his succah his permanent abode and his house temporary.

When rain descends, when is it permissible to leave? When a mess of porridge has been spoiled.

A parable, to what is the matter comparable? To a servant who comes to present a pitcher of water to his master and his master pours it on his face.

Gemara:
The Sages learnt {in a brayta}: "All seven days {of sukkot} one makes his succah his permanent abode and his house temporary." How so? If he has beautiful vessels he brings them in to the succah. Fine dining couches, he brings them into the succah. And he eats and drinks in the succah, and take a pleasure walk in the sucah.

From where do we know these words? For the Sages learnt {in a brayta}: {Vayikra 23:42}:

מב בַּסֻּכֹּת תֵּשְׁבוּ, שִׁבְעַת יָמִים; כָּל-הָאֶזְרָח, בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל, יֵשְׁבוּ, בַּסֻּכֹּת. 42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are home-born in Israel shall dwell in booths;
תֵּשְׁבוּ only means just as you dwell. From here they said, "If he has beautiful vessels he brings them in to the succah. He eats and drinks in the succah, and explains Mishnayot in the succah."

And this means to explain the simple meaning of them; but to delve into the reasonings of them, this is done outside the succah.

{Succah 29a}
Rava said: Drinking vessels in the succah; eating vessels in the succah; the candle: some say in the succah and some say outside the succah. And they do not argue. These in a large succah and these in a small succah. {And see the Ran on this point.}

"When rain descends, when is it permissible to leave? When a mess of porridge has been spoiled":
They taught {tana}: when a porridge of grisin {pounded beans} has been spoiled.

Abaye was sitting in the succah before Rav Yosef, and a wind blew the chips {from the schach} into the dish.
Rav Yosef said to them: Take off the vessels {, and we will leave}.
Abaye said to him: But we have learned {in the Mishna}, "when a mess of porridge has been spoiled."

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