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34b
{Shabbat 82a continues}
He must cleanse himself with the clay {shard}, and not with the pebble {because the former is technically a utensil}, and specifically referring to clay of the rims of utensils.
If a pebble and grass lie before one, — Rav Chisda and Rav Hamnuna - one said: He must cleanse himself with the pebble, but not with the grass; while the other said: He must cleanse himself with the grass, not with the pebble.
An objection is raised: If one cleanses himself with inflammable material, his lower teeth {=the teeth-like glands supporting the rectum} will be torn away?
There is no difficulty: the one {where it is permitted} refers to wet [grass]; the other to dry [grass].
It was stated {by Amoraim}:
If one has a call of nature but instead eats {our gemara: but does not obey it} -- Rav Chisda and Ravina - one said: He has an attack of offensive odour {from his mouth}; the other said: He is infected by an offensive smell {from the whole body}.
It was stated:
One who has a call of nature yet eats, is like an oven which is heated up on top of its ashes, and that is the beginning of mouth odor.
(If he ate and did not drink, his eating is blood, and this is the beginning of intestinal afflictions. If he ate and did not walk four cubits, his eating rots, and this is the beginning of bad {mouth} odor. If he washed and did not anoint himself first, it is as if he poured water over a barrel. If he washed with hot water and did not drink from it, it is as if he fired up the over from the outside but not from within. If he washed with hot water and did not rinse with cold, it is similar to iron that was placed in the fire but was not thereafter placed in the water {to harden}.
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If one has a call of nature but cannot obey it: Rav Chisda said: He should repeatedly stand up and sit down.
Rabbi Zera said to Rav Chisda: Come let us learn and come let us deal in the life of the creatures {that is, health matters - this introduction missing in our gemara}. One who needs to answer the call of nature - Rav Chisda said: Let him go and sit and stand {and walk four cubits - gloss removes this}. Rav Hamnuna said: Let him work about that place with a pebble; while the Rabbis advise: Let him turn his attention to another matter. Rav Acha the son of Rabba said to Rav Ashi: {If he turns his attention to another matter} then certainly he will be unable to answer the call of nature! He said to him: Let him not turn his attention from other matters {as opposed to turning his attention to other matters}.
Rabbi Yirmiya of Difti said: I myself saw a certain Arab repeatedly arise and sit down until he poured forth like a cruse.
The Sages learnt {in a brayta}: If one enters to [partake of] a permanent {fixed} meal, he should [first] check himself {that he need not use the facilities.} How so? He should walk four ten-cubit lengths, or ten four-cubit lengths, be moved, then enter {to begin the meal}.
MISHNA:
[IF ONE CARRIES OUT] A {CLAY} SHARD, [THE STANDARD IS] AS MUCH AS IS NEEDED FOR PLACING BETWEEN ONE BOARD AND ANOTHER: THIS IS R. JUDAH'S VIEW.
R. MEIR SAID: LARGE ENOUGH TO SCRAPE OUT THE FIRE THEREWITH;
R. JOSE SAID: LARGE ENOUGH TO CONTAIN A REBI'ITH.
R. MEIR OBSERVED: THOUGH THERE IS NO PROOF OF THE MATTER, YET THERE IS A HINT: {Yeshaya 30:14}
{thus there is reference to taking fire, parallel to Rabbi Meir's reference.}
SAID R. JOSE TO HIM, THENCE IS PROOF [OF MY VIEW, VIZ.]:
END PEREK EIGHT
BEGIN PEREK NINE
MISHNA:
R. AKIBA SAID: WHENCE DO WE KNOW THAT AN IDOL DEFILES BY CARRIAGE LIKE A NIDDAH?
BECAUSE IT IS SAID, {Yeshaya 30:22}:
{Shabbat 83b}
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT A SHIP IS CLEAN? BECAUSE IT IS SAID {Mishlei 30:19}:
| דֶּרֶךְ-אֳנִיָּה בְלֶב-יָם-- וְדֶרֶךְ גֶּבֶר בְּעַלְמָה. | 19 The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; {N} the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a young woman. |
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT IF A SEED-BED IS SIX HANDBREADTHS SQUARE, WE MAY SOW THEREIN FIVE KINDS OF SEEDS, FOUR ON THE FOUR SIDES, AND ONE IN THE MIDDLE?
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