Tuesday, April 05, 2005

Rif Brachot 28a




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28a

{Brachot 39b continued}
It was stated {by Amoraim}:
If pieces and whole loaves are set before one, Rav Huna says that the blessing can be said over the pieces, and this serves also for the whole loaves, whereas Rabbi Yochanan says that the religious duty is better performed if the blessing is said over the whole one. If, however, a broken piece of wheat bread and a whole loaf of barley bread are set before one, all agree that the blessing is said over the piece of wheat bread, and this serves also for the whole loaf of barley bread.

Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak said: A god fearing man will seek to satisfy both {Rav Huna and Rabbi Yochanan}.

Such as did Mar bar Ravina. For Mar bar Ravina used to put the broken piece under the whole loaf and then break the bread.

A Tanna recited in the presence of Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak: One should place the broken piece under the whole loaf and then break and say the blessing.
He said to him: What is your name?
He said: Shalmon, he replied.
He said to him: You are peace [shalom] and your Mishnah is faultless [shelemah], for you have made peace between the scholars.
to be continued...

Rav Papa said: All admit that on Passover one puts the broken cake under the whole one and breaks [them together]. What is the reason? Scripture speaks of 'Bread of poverty.' {Dvarim 16:3: lechem oni}

Rabbi Abba said: And on Shabbat one should break bread from two loaves. What is the reason? Scripture speaks of 'double bread.' {lechem mishneh, in Shemot 16}

Rav Ashi said: When I was in the house of Rav Kahana, he would take two and break one.

When Rav Ami and Rav Asi happened to get hold of a loaf which had been used for an 'eruv on Shabbat, they used to say over it the HaMotzi, saying, Since one religious duty has been performed with it, let us perform with it still another.

{Brachot 40a}
Rav said: [If the host says to his guests,] Take, kroch {wrap}{as opposed to the girsa of the gemara ברוך}, take, kroch, he [the host] need not say the blessing [again]. If he said [between the benediction and the eating], Bring salt, bring relish, he must say the blessing [again].

And Rabbi Yochanan said: Even "Bring salt, bring relish" he need not bless {again}.
If he said, Mix fodder for the oxen, mix fodder for the oxen, he must repeat the blessing; Rav Shesheth. however, said that even if he said, Mix fodder for the oxen, he need not repeat; for Rav Yehuda said in the name of Shmuel {our gemara: Rav}: A man is forbidden to eat before he gives food to his beast, since it says in Devarim 11:15:

טו וְנָתַתִּי עֵשֶׂב בְּשָׂדְךָ, לִבְהֶמְתֶּךָ; וְאָכַלְתָּ, וְשָׂבָעְתָּ. 15 And I will give grass in thy fields for thy cattle, and thou shalt eat and be satisfied.
and then it returns and says:

טו וְנָתַתִּי עֵשֶׂב בְּשָׂדְךָ, לִבְהֶמְתֶּךָ; וְאָכַלְתָּ, וְשָׂבָעְתָּ. 15 And I will give grass in thy fields for thy cattle, and thou shalt eat and be satisfied.

Rabba bar Shmuel cited Rabbi Chiyya: The one who is about to break the bread is not permitted to do so before salt or relish is placed before each one at table.

Rabba bar Shmuel visited the house of the Exilarch.

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